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May 21, 2013
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Hi Lloyd.

I am about to spend some time in a house which has recently had solar panels fitted to the ro
Is there anything much in the way of emissions known about from these installations please? I understand so far that they create direct current in the house, which should be an improvement? But when I enquired , it turns out that the piece of kit which turns the current back into Alternating Current is in the roof as well, and surely that will emit? I have been told that it will be a very low field?
Thanks Lloyd.

I have investigated further from EMFields. The subject of solar panels has not been researched much as yet, according to EMFields. It is believed that the fields will be low, but as for the kit in the roof which changes the current from DC to AC, this is an unknown. The problem appears to be that each manufacturer will produce something that will vary considerably as to field emissions! Within each company producing these, the specifications could easily change with the newer models which later come onto the market. I was also informed that EMFields are a small company, and they are unlikely to be able to keep up with these variables due to cost and time. I do not know how this pans out, and if anyone else can add anything to this? I hope that someone can. : )

May 27, 2013
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Hi,
I have surveyed several properties with solar PV arrays. When the sun shines the inverters which convert low voltage DC to mains AC, more often than not produce large amounts of dirty electricity – in the form of higher frequency transients (noise). Also neighbours’ PV arrays cmay induce dirty electricity on your mains supply.
When the sun is shining you should measure you mains with a GS meter. (I sell them). Low noise inverters are available.
HTH
Guy

May 27, 2013
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Hi Guy.

Thanks for your information.
I am about to betray a possible lack of understanding at this point…but do you know how far an EMfield would reach from such devices as these inverters?
ie, How far a bedroom needs to be from the solar array and especially the inverter, please?

June 18, 2013
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Hi all.

I have a little observation to share which is far from scientific.
I have slept just fine underneath those solar panels above my head. I am surprised by this. It may be partly due to a better range of components from the manufacturer, or that emmissions are maybe low or nil at night due to it being dark, or….?
Any further thoughts anyone?

Thanks.
: ) zzzzzz

June 29, 2013
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Solar panels can cause some problems, and if you are near them there will be pulsating ELF while the sun is shining and the inverter is inverting. If they are not connected correctly than can also cause problems through the house wiring, and you may find excessive voltage at power points and light switches.

June 29, 2013
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Have a read of this site, as there is some information of interest: http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t105422/

June 29, 2013
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Hi.

Thankyou Wifikid for the information. I look forward to the link. I am back again to say that I have stayed in a holiday cottage last week. There was no info given to say that they had Solar panels on the roof. I slept just fine. They did not have wifi…oh joy! I wonder if my sensitivity does not extend to Solar panels….yet!? Could it be that sensitivity does not always have blanket coverage, but that we become eventually sensitised to everything through sufficient exposure? It sounds rather likely to me.

September 17, 2013
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Hi Lloyd,

I’ve got a bit of a random question for you related to solar panels.

In the United States they are opening massive solar panel projects, in dessert areas.

For instance, in California, near the Arizona border, they are opening a 4000 acre solar panel project, to provide power to Los Angeles. Apparently it was subsidized by the president and the land was given free by the BLM. This has huge implications I believe for the pristine nature and wildlife of the dessert…though I understand we are in a energy crisis too – a tough situation.

In any case, this is the random part of my question – as I understand it – the inverters create huge amounts of EMF, is that correct? Apparently these solar panels are also made of cadmium.

There is a wonderful organic jojoba farm near this new solar panel project…it is a small family farm, and they supply amazingly high quality organic jojoba oil – really nobody else is producing jojoba oil of this quality/caliber.

Are these jojoba crops going to be negatively impacted by all these EMF’s coming off of a 4000 acre solar panel project in close proximity to the farm? Will it “pollute” the jojoba seeds with radiation, dirty electricity, and EMF’s…and radiate them, so that the oil is no longer “healthy” but perhaps acidic/rancid/”deranged” in some way from it’s original composition? Is there anything one can do to protect themselves from the affects of a 4000 acre solar panel project, if it just happens to be your neighbor?

Thank you,
Sarah

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Hi Sarah
Inverters create dirty electricity ….on a solar project of that size you can expect the DE to be substantial. Would this effect the jojoba crops? Studies show that plants and animals are impacted by EMF exposures…..I don’t know of any research that has been done on DE and plants specifically but my opinion is that plants would also be affected. The starting point of EMF protection is always measurement, you measure DE with a GS meter and then you install GS filters to bring the DE down to safe levels, see https://www.electricsense.com/1…..gs-filter/

October 21, 2013
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Being hypersensitive to EMF’s and RF radiation, I briefly researched Solar Panel systems before installing one on my home. I found that the panels produce DC power and, therefore, no EMFs. I did learn that the inverters, (which convert DC power to AC), do emit EMF’s, but I planned on installing them in a remote area away from my living space. Unfortunately, as soon as the system was turned on, I felt the ill effects, (physical symptoms). I took EMF readings and all appeared “normal”. In further researching Solar systems, I learned about “Dirty Electricity”; I had never heard of this before. I purchased a Stetzer Meter and found readings to be higher than recommended. This was followed up by purchasing Stetzer filters. During the course of installing the filters, one of the inverters shorted out due to faulty installation; I’m currently waiting for the company to replace it. As soon as the system is restored, I will report back with my findings regarding the effectiveness of the Stetzer Filters. I actually spoke with David Stetzer, who assured me that the filters will remove the high frequency transients that are created by the inverters. He also mentioned that the filters should help with the frequency transients that are introduced by my smart meter. I’m hoping that the meters work; otherwise, I spent $23,000, (cost of the Solar System), for nothingFrown Think twice about installing a solar system, unless you have a plan to eliminate the Dirty Electricity. More to follow….

November 5, 2013
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Hi Alex
Thanks for sharing this. It’s a pity more people are not aware of these dirty electricity problems before they opt for solar power – let me know how you get on with the filters.

December 6, 2013
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I just had solar installed and I am going through the same issue as Alex. I have not gotten any protection yet, I am researching whether to get the filters or use the paint. etc. Looking fwd to an update on the GS filters with Solar Panels. Our panels are on the ground but after they were installed I heard the hum. We had a analog meter, (smart meter opt out) when the utility company changed our meter to a solar panel meter reader they put a digital meter (non-smart meter) on and the hum/sounds have gotten louder. Wondering what the most cost effective way to minimize the dirty electricity would be? I am also concerned with the proper connection of the solar panel to our house wiring. I am sensitive to cell phones/wireless tech/dirty electricity. I had the dimmer switches taken out and I turn off the wifi at night.

December 14, 2013
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The most cost effective way to reduce your dirty electricity exposure is to eliminate those devices that create dirty electricity….you can do this intuitively by eliminating probable culprits such as CFL lights, plasma/LED TV, devices with switching mode power supply etc, or you can do this more scientifically by using a microsurge meter.

December 22, 2013
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L. C. said

I just had solar installed and I am going through the same issue as Alex. I have not gotten any protection yet, I am researching whether to get the filters or use the paint. etc. Looking fwd to an update on the GS filters with Solar Panels. Our panels are on the ground but after they were installed I heard the hum. We had a analog meter, (smart meter opt out) when the utility company changed our meter to a solar panel meter reader they put a digital meter (non-smart meter) on and the hum/sounds have gotten louder. Wondering what the most cost effective way to minimize the dirty electricity would be? I am also concerned with the proper connection of the solar panel to our house wiring. I am sensitive to cell phones/wireless tech/dirty electricity. I had the dimmer switches taken out and I turn off the wifi at night.

Wink Even if it’s not a “smart meter” it can be the same RF fields and frequencies. It’s like when the grocery carries name brand and generic. I had a digital meter removed for analog via an opt out. Yes I am one of the lucky ones sort of. The meter I had had the same frequency a a “sm” and pulsed every 30 seconds.

December 22, 2013
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Cool I am online tonight researching inverters. I am doing so as the problems of living anywhere but the boonies are too much for me. Neighbor’s wifi can blast your house from over a block away and so can wireless meter and all the other RF stuff as well. I realized almost a year ago I need to move remote and I have gotten so much worse since then. So I am looking into all options, but my goal is to be on lots of land off the grid. This goal due to my sensitivities to RF radiation. I am moderately electro sensitive but get very ill from RF’s. I can still have my electroncs w/out trouble and am disabled and so TV is my life. I love movies and series and use the TV as a monitor to virtual travel to exotic locals. Being homebound I would not be gone during the day when a solar system is firing up. I would not at first think inverters would bother me, but I’ve been informed that if they don’t that level of emfs is still going to be a cancer trigger for me.

Due to the dirty electricity that the inverters create, many EMF sensitives are going w/ panels and a dc system rather than have inverters to create an AC system. Much safer, but hard to run an off grid house off that. The man who runs the EMF free vacation spot in northern canada, uses such a system as no power goes that far out. The problem with this type of system is none of the appliances needed for daily life run on dc and the ones that do are also high emf, for example a dc fridge is too emf dirty to be a consideration and I have heard even dc lights can be a problem. And for running things like a blender or juicer, oven, stove not doable. For a homebound person a freezer fridge w/ storage space is a must as I must store food my helpers bring me from the store for more than 2 weeks at times and often I can not walk much further than fridge due to disabilities. Cooking outside is out due to the same disabilitiies and I can’t be in cold.

So I have been searching for some way to find a safer way to do an AC system. I am just starting to learn about solar. I read 1 chapter of Solar Power for Dummies and will eventually read the rest. I have “Power 4 Patriots” the kit that is supposed to teach you how to get off the grid for nothing but have not taken a single peek at it, though I heard it’s nothing of what it claims to be. I have lots of research to do 1st. Most of these resources and others are aimed at mainstreemers who care nothing if they are exposed to deadly RFs so the methods they recommend will not be EMF safe, but I can learn about solar at least.

I have heard about rumors of an inverter that is safe for us, but so far have not been able to find one. Still researching. Several authorities of EMF safety say there isn’t one. There are some new ones out that are becoming the new great inverters, but they emit higher emfs than the other. that is the trend in all devices. The EMF/RF emissions get higher w/ each release. I am hoping to find and inverter that maybe will at least be as safe as the TV, but no go so far.

Also to take into consideration is a device used in solar systems both AC and DC only systems, is called a “controller”. The controller basically keeps the solar panel from overcharging the battery. Many of them contain dangerous technology that emit wifi and emfs. I have learned that wi/ lots of effort controller can be obtained that don’t have this concern, but I could not tell you what they are called. Most controllers are NOT an option for anyone w/ any sensitivities. So in the case of those that just got a system the controller at the battery bank will probably need to be switched out to a safer one.

I would figure that placing the inverters away from the living space would help. I have read some things about having them six ft. away from house and not on the roof, but other EMF authorities say no-go to that. I could maybe guess that the dirty electricity travels up the wire into your house. What I have seen about filters helping is contraversial, some say they do work and others say no. I have been reading several places about twisting the wires and putting ferrite clips on the lines help, but I am not yet convinced.

I still feel that living on solar in the middle of nowhere is the best option for most of us, but not if it can’t be done safely. If anyone knows how to do an AC system w/ out it being an EMF nightmare I’d love to hear about it.

Also here’s a site I’ve been reading on about the subject: http://www.eiwellspring.org/offgrid.html

You can paste this into your browser and spend some days reading all about Solar, emfs and implication a DC solar system there.

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Wifikid said

Have a read of this site, as there is some information of interest: http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t105422/

LaughInteresting article. I know many place their panels on the lot away from the house. May be the best option. Often this is done to make changing direction of panels at season change easy or the sun is not good where the roof is. i am seeing this more and more. There is an office in my town that has a carport in their lot and the roof is made of… you guessed it solar panels. It pays to take this article to mind to work w/ panels safely.

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I’ve been investigating solar, and asking suppliers about power quality, specifically dirty electricity. I just get blank looks or bland assurances that their equipment is wonderful. Clearly they are clueless about this issue. I did some digging and one of the inverter suppliers claims to supply a pure sine wave with < 2% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion). Does anyone know what this translates to in terms of Dirty Power and Stetzer units? Stetzer filters are not necessarily a good option for us as my partner reacts very badly to them (and there’s no evidence of elevated electric or magnetic fields as a result of wiring faults).

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Here are a few quick ideas:
– you need to test the suppliers claims. All you need is a GS meter to test whether the inverter he is proposing creates DE or not. Ask him to arrange a visit at one of his clients installations take your GS meter and see for yourself.
– if your partner does not react well to Stetzer filters I suggest you try using one of the other brands. make sure you go as far as you can in eliminating devices which are adding to DE in your home, see https://www.electricsense.com/1…..gs-filter/

January 14, 2015
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Hi Lloyd, thanks for your comments. Good idea to visit another installation to check the solar situation.

We’re actually using EMFields filters – not Stetzer’s. I believe there are other brands as well. Might be worth trying another one. Most of our DE seems to come in from outside – it just appears and disappears without any intervention from us – we don’t switch anything on or off…. One circuit is particularly badly affected, which seems odd – if it’s coming in from outside I would expect it to appear on all circuits. We don’t have any serious offending appliances or light bulbs, and some of the computer power supplies are filtered anyway just to be sure. The meter normally reads about 30-40 so we’re reasonably clean at present.

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I have solar panels but have not hooked them up since I am concerned about the DC/AC issues, dirty electricity, and I don’t like supporting the whole toxic battery system. There are some alternatives that I am looking into other than putting a building with solar panels separate from my house with refrigeration, etc in just that building and little or no electricity in my main house. Two things: Search on youtube for graphine sheets that are made by pounding graphite powder and layered into sheets that can apparently hold more energy (and for longer periods of time) than a toxic expensive battery. It is just a natural substance and takes up very little space. Hoping this could be one thing that replaces batteries in the future. Secondly for those who have any type of running water next to them (until a company is available to provide this in areas that don’t have running water) you can check out the Trompe system of air compression. In the 1920s all of Paris, Chicago, and a coal plant in Canada ran off of air compression. It is a totally free and clean energy with no moving parts or electricity. A funnel is placed under a moving stream with straws that capture air, bubbles, and water down under it. The air goes into a tank and the water is oxygenated and purified and sent back up into the stream cleaner than it started (therefore great for fish, ecosystem, or gathering of purified water, etc). This air was (and still can be) used for all power tools (with no electricity involved), vehicles, public transportation, air conditioning, refrigeration, and freezing. It can also be connected to a generator for electrical needs but the above is ran without any electricity. It produces cold air so you just open and close a vent to provide free AC in your home or to build a cooler room for food. The cars that ran off of this actually attached little coolers on their trunks where the exhaust (which was just cold air) went into their coolers and kept their food cold while driving. The air can be bottled/tanked and can also travel for long distances without any loss in pressure. Why did we stop using this system? Because the oil companies bought out all of the air compression companies and shut them down. They also had all literature removed from the Libraries on this information. You can go to youtube and look up titled “Limitless clean energy that can make petrolium fuels obsolete” where the Australian, Bill Mollison, (one of the founders of Permaculture who was born in 1928 and still living well) explains and draws out the process. There is no reason that are cities can not run off this system today. Also back in the early days of electricity, almost all areas had canals and waterways through their towns to produce hydro-electricity. Today these water running systems could be put back in to run air compression and lessen all the dangerous electricity. Solar and Wind Farms still produce a lot of EMFs, toxic materials, and have their own problems. There are many other things we can do besides this. I live in an area where there are lots of running streams, rivers, and springs. I want to incorporate this type of air compression system on my property. Because you are dealing with pressure (PSIs) like with gas, you need to know the Physics on how to bottle or manipulate this correctly. The deeper you put the tank, the higher the PSIs are gathered from this system. Anyone with this type of job experience that would like to help me is welcome. I’m going to also present this to my Town to see how I can get help doing one of these systems since I’m not very Engineer, Physics, minded. Any suggestions: my email is mustobeyacts2_38@yahoo.com, Tara. Thanks.

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