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November 16, 2013
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Hi, I apologize if this isn’t in the right forum category.

My kids want a Wii U and Playstation 4 system, which I believe both utilize Blue Tooth level 2 for their wireless controller functions.
I talked to an electrical engineer I know who is a moderator at a health group I subscribe to for his opinion as I am a bit cautious and concerned about the effects of exposure to these consoles.
My kids play games basically the entire time they’re home when their school work is done. The current systems they have a wired in controller so this is new territory.

Here’s what the engineer said in response to my questions and linking him to some articles on this site.

For reference (https://www.electricsense.com/3…..radiation/

https://www.electricsense.com/2…..radiation/

https://www.electricsense.com/1…..e-dangers/
https://www.electricsense.com/1…..dangerous/)

I’ll separate my message from his words with a smiley face

Wink

“I wouldn’t be too concerned about the WII system as far as radiation goes. The devices are usually used far enough away from your body that it wouldn’t be significant. Just another voice in the chorus of electromagnetic radiation fields present around all of us these days. Being close to a cell phone tower might possibly be one of the worst areas of concern. And having a cell phone right next to your head would be the worst scenario I could think of. Electromagnetic energy falls away in strength as the square of the distance, so distance is important.

I looked at that website, and as in the other one I just mentioned in another e-mail, it has good information but a few errors and misconceptions. Other than moving to Montana to raise dental floss or living in a copper cage most of your life, there’s not much you can to to escape electromagnetic fields these days.”

“2.5 milliwatts is an insignificant amount of power. I use 8 watts with my
amatuer radio equipment in that frequency range and have yet to notice any
effects from that level, and that is 3,000 times the power you are talking
about. Microwave ovens usually use about 500 watts, which is 200,000 times
the power of your WII system.

There would not be any danger from the infrared, either. Most common home
appliances that generate heat (toasters, stoves etc.) generate far more
infrared than that.”

(in reference to the game controller the Wii U console utilize)
“The screen definitely wouldn’t be anything to worry about. I believe
the 5.2 GHz band is considered safer than the 2.4 GHz band because
it’s farther away from frequencies that affect water, oxygen and other
things. 100 milliwatts or less shouldn’t be a concern, either. The 1
watt level and higher is generally where I consider things to start
potentially becoming dangerous.”

Wink

He makes it sound like these devices are basically harmless. Hopefully I don’t sound like I’m coming here saying you may be wrong and he is right or any variation on that. There is just so much information on the Internet about this subject that it’s difficult to come to a conclusion and you both seem so knowledgeable about the subject. I’m kind of feeling in the middle if you know what I mean. I really just want what is best for my kids considering how long they play video games.

I used to be ES but I fixed that using Ashok Gupta’s program for CFS. However, when I’m around these kinds of devices for long I do get a red flush due to the fact that I take niacin. I’m not worried about myself as much as my kids though.

If you could provide any insight on what you think about what this person told me or how concerned I should be about these consoles I’d be very grateful for the time. I didn’t mean to make this message so long, so I do apologize for that.

Thank you so much!

Sincerely,
John

November 17, 2013
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Hi John,
Congratulations in alleviating your ES symptoms! Wonderful :)

Here are my thoughts on the engineer’s comments:

“2.5 milliwatts is an insignificant amount of power…. 100 milliwatts or less shouldn’t be a concern, either.”

As you might know, The 2012 Bio-Initiative report recommends a precautionary limit of 0.1μW/cm(2) (microwatts per centimetre squared; 0.614V/m) for outdoor cumulative RF exposure and 0.01μW/cm(2) (0.194V/m) for inside buildings (Sections 1 and 17). This is much less than the 2.5 milliwatts that the enegineer is referring to. I tend to lean toward the BI reports findings rather than the engineer because they have run clinical tests on living tissue whereas the engineer has not.

“I use 8 watts with my amatuer radio equipment in that frequency range and have yet to notice any
effects from that level, and that is 3,000 times the power you are talking
about”

In my work, I use a method which tests the acupuncture meridians, energy pathways in the body. So far, I cannot find a single person whose meridian energy doesn’t become blocked when exposed to RF. And the people I have tested have seen for themselves that they are affected by RF, even though they weren’t conscious of it previously. For this reason, I’m guessing everyone, including the engineer, is electrically sensitive. They just don’t know it.

Speaking from experience, the affects of RF exposure are accumulative. Here’s an analogy –

Imagine you and your family are living in a home that is 100% free of EMF’s. And all of you are wearing backpacks that have nothing in them. You walk around carrying air lol. Your body isn’t weighted down.

Your kids start using wireless game consoles. The RF is like a weight that goes into each of your backpacks. But, as the engineer pointed out, it’s a relatively small amount, so it doesn’t seem that heavy to any of you. You all might do fine. Who knows?

Now imagine living a typical home with local cell phone tower and antenna signals along with neighbors’ wifi and smart meter signals in the vicinity. And maybe your house has typical dirty electricity that rides on your utility company’s electrical power that feeds your home.
Living with each one of these is like having weights added into your individual backpacks that you carry around all of the time. Now your kids start playing with the wireless console.
So that weight too, must be added into your backpacks.

If you do live in a typical home with a variety of EMF’s coming from inside and outside of the your home, the question becomes, where is the cutoff for how much weight each of you can carry in your backpack without having debilitating health affects – now or later? Do you want to add yet another source of EMF’s into your home?

Good luck with your decision.
Sue

November 19, 2013
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Hi Sue. Thank you sincerely for the message, I really appreciate it.
Excellent analogy.

It’s definitely a tricky decision as I don’t want to have my kids miss out on normal things they want to do but I am concerned for their health. I know I can’t try and protect them forever.
Sure would be nice if these companies would be more responsible when making these devices targeted towards kids.

If anyone else has any opinions or input they want to throw in (if there’s anything else left to say) I’d be happy to hear it.

Thanks once again Sue.

November 20, 2013
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You are very welcome :)

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